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03/24/2009

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You make some valid points. Unfortunately, though, in many ways the cars, microwaves, cellphones, (but not TVs), have become necessities to work and perform in the world. They are advanced technologies, though so pervasive that they are not costly. These people would only be considered rich if these were luxuries - but they are not.

In terms of education, that is quite subjective and cannot be guaranteed by how much money is involved. For people who can't afford institutionalized education, I think the best way to allow people to succeed is by improving libraries, community educational programs controlled by local people, and the ability to receive a liberal or technical degree-equivalent by passing appropriate testing. If people are poor and can't afford good teachers, allow them to learn by themselves and give them the incentive to do so by supporting scholarship programs and such. Don't give people education for free~allow the poor to develop their own communities to rise-up instead of becoming dependents of the state. In history, many formerly poor people became rich or comfortable without welfare, but rather by making productive choices.

In any case, however, the idea that wealth is a determinant of life-satisfaction and personal ability is a crutch people use to complain, be lazy, do drugs, and hurt other people. This idea, I think, is solidified by access to near-free entertainment on TV, the Internet, and video games. These systems allow people to feel as if they are participating, but in reality are making little if no contribution to the living, breathing world. Along the way, subtle messages about the reality of the world - controlled and produced by powerful individuals - are seeped into their subconscious minds.

I think people would be better off~poor and rich~to get back to the basics of life.

Larry Vance

Like most people who worship Atlas Shrugged, you read something into it that wasn't there - you've bought the reviews, not the book. Rand's fascination isn't about individual effort, it's about who has the bigger smokestack. Clearly that was Galt. And everyone in that cult was so 'rational' that they simply stepped aside because Galt was the most rationalest of them all. What simplistic, linear, unreal crap. They all believed that if they could take labor from workers at $.05/hour, it was their right to do so. But labor organizing to guarantee themselves a bigger share of the pie - why that's communism. That book is such a lead-lined 1950's doorstop. Great Gatsby was more about the soul of the individual that AS was.

John Galt

That's weird, Larry, because in my copy of Atlas Shrugged there were characters who were invited to set their own price for their labor.

But those characters were the most competent workers.

Also, I should point out that five cents an hour was once a lot of money. I don't just want to return to paying people five cents to work -- I also want to return to five cents having a lot more value than it does today.

ANTHONY SCARANGELLA

I own several rental homes and in recent years have rented to section 8's "poor people".
Well let me enlighten some here as I have been enlightened.
My favorite tenant in 28 years is Dana, a sweetheart with 3 children. She has been on welfare since she was a teen, as were her Mom, Grandma and Aunt. Dana's first trip through the house with her kids was an eye opener when her 8 year old daughter said to me "When I get my babies, I'm gonna get me a bigger house". hmmm.
Anyway we did the math on poor Dana's government freebies and with sect8, welfare, wic, ebt,cell phone, discounted utilities, health care etc etc, she comes up to roughly $40 thousand per year and this year she also received a tax return (though she pays no income taxes) of $3500 for her and $1500 per kid. Apparently it's Obama's "walking around money".
So tell me how a person with above average Take Home Pay and well above average Tax Return Money is Poor??

Robert Dear

I would like to see an expanded report on the poor that answered the following questions.
Who are the poor?
Why are they poor?
How long have they been in the poor class?
What factors prevent them from escaping poverty?
Who told these persons that they were poor?
Why do they elect to remain in poverty?
Who is responsible for taking care of the poor?
ETC

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