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04/11/2009

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Bill

Very well put, I got into an argument with fellow students in my classroom a few days ago over such an issue; they said capitalism is clearly failing and they would like to see a shift toward socialism. I told them we haven't had capitalism in this country for a while, but I think their understanding of the term was lacking.

angulimala

And the Marxists said that Communism didn't fail because the USSR wasn't really pure Marxism .....

For a guy who rails against "Marxists", you do a good job of imitating them.


John Galt

Angulimala, presumably you are talking about the subprime situation, or any part of the mess that stemmed from it.

I don't recognize the moral equivalence you seem to claim in your response.

What failed here was a policy of guaranteeing successful outcomes to encourage unreasonable risk-taking. The risk-taking became so profitable that the resulting losses were too large to be covered. The risks were real, but the guarantee was worthless. Or perhaps the profits were real, but the risks were someone else's.

Either way, if we applied such a law to a pristinely free economy, the failure would be exactly the same, and we would all understand the role of regulation in the ensuing catastrophe.

You, on the other hand, seem to think that since we applied a whole bunch of laws over time, and then incrementally repealed all but this one, that the same failure is therefore a result of deregulation. Absurd.

People will do what profits them. This is not new; "greed" is not a new invention. It was the nature of humanity before these laws went onto the books.

Government created a conduit, through which it hoped to siphon money from taxpayers, to pay for the mortgages of deadbeats with no reasonable hope of getting loans on the basis of credit.

It is that ridiculous conduit, and not the perfectly predictable response of the market, that is the problem here.

The next time you want freedom take the blame for something instead of government, show it to me a framework of laws that isn't already trying to steal from one person or another.

As far as I'm concerned, what happened here was a government plan to defraud taxpayers. Freedom didn't fail here -- government succeeded. And in a very big way.

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